User talk:WikiCantona/20080819190827
- 有嘢講：/Comment：
sorry, not you have time to refine the form. But, someone refine it for you, called grammar. Double negative is illogical, yet often occur in spoken language. is it illogical because you are taught to believe so, or is it illogical because it cannot be understood. When double negative use in speech, people understood it perfectly.
--WikiCantona 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:21 (UTC)
Are you mistaken?
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment： What do you mean by "double negatives are illogical"??
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點23分06秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:23 (UTC)
"Someone refines it for you" - How so?
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment： How so? When I write in cantonese, I refine my own speech by checking what i write, editing, thinking about the best way to express my thoughts, choosing my words...
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點25分19秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:25 (UTC)
- 有嘢講：/Comment：
My friend, social process - lesson in school. Unless you are a machine (very good computer program), the refinement is written in your software.
To make it clear, you refine your writing. You only refine according to some predefined rules someone "refine" it for you.
--WikiCantona 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:34 (UTC)
when i speak, i am actually trying to represent thoughts in my brain with words; i make mistakes because...
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment： when i speak, i am actually trying to represent thoughts in my brain with words; i may make mistakes in this translation/representation process. So I refine my writing/speech, ie i try to figure out the best way to represent my thoughts with words. When we speak, since we have little time, we use gestures to help; when we write, we try our best to use words accurately.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點39分38秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:39 (UTC)
learning
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment：
just repeat myself again. A process - the rules you learnt in school - is refined for you.
--WikiCantona 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:48 (UTC)
Only partly. Your school helps you; but you must do it yourself.
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment： In the sense that you cannot really learn a language unless you are using it.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點55分19秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:55 (UTC)
Use it - reinforce it
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment：
Exactly, you use it as taught, you reinforce what you have been taught. Of course, you may question the fundamental and come up with your own rules. In language, it is rather difficult to question everything you learnt. There are time when you use your own ways, no one understands.
See en:grammar
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment： And I quote:
| 「 | Each language has its own distinct grammar. "English grammar" is the rules of the English language itself.
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Every language, including cantonese, needs grammar (or rules) or else what you speak is just a collection of sound and noise without any meaning.
--* -- :-) Hillgentleman | 書 | 二零零八年八月十九號（星期二）格林尼治 19點28分39秒。 2008年8月19號 (二) 19:28 (UTC)
Convention comes first
編輯- 有嘢講：/Comment：
Every language needs a convention in which common practice understood by the involved parties. Grammar is outcome of the study of these conventions.