Talk:Amina 襲警案

This article is not about her as such but about the problem and news caused by the legal cases and her demeanor and public uproars. Therefore, it should be named after the common name used surrounding the news. --WikiCantona (傾偈) 2010年8月8號 (日) 00:35 (UTC)回覆

however the title "案" refers to a specific case and it simply doesn't work. what we are doing are just describing events around her that is of public interest or what we know about her. there is nothing preventing you from adding more. there is no need to restrict yourself apriori to the bad news. * = )< Hillgentleman|書|二零一零年八月八號（星期日）格林尼治 02點03分22秒。>

I agree that title "案" is too narrow and restricted. Yet, this is an event (for which proper Cantonese expression is 件嘢 or 單嘢) in which Amina is main character. Public interest and social implications will go beyond the scope in which a biographical title would imply. Thus, an event title is more appropriate. --WikiCantona (傾偈) 2010年8月8號 (日) 04:16 (UTC)回覆

我睇完其實唔係好明個標題。「包致金侄女單嘢」如果譯成普通話,大概係「包致金侄女的那些事兒」，而「包致金侄女案單野」就加嫌累贄。

廣東話係半文半白既體裁,唔係話將「事件」改成「單野」就叫廣東話嘛; 最緊要係廣東話一樣有用開「事件」呢個字。例如六四事件, 粵語百科都唔會改成六四嗰單嘢。

叫「司法事件」係較為好, 如果唔怕累累贄贄, 亦可以改成「包致金侄女事件簿」之類 (香港媒體成日乜都用 "事件簿" 去講). --Winstonlighter (傾偈) 2010年8月10號 (二) 17:52 (UTC)回覆

唔同意，「司法事件」講緊乜先？只有中文 Wiki 先咁講。唔係將「事件」改成「單野」嘅問題，問題係呢件嘢係未有個成日用嘅名，「包致金侄女案」喺傳媒就用得好多，呢篇嘢係講一件案同呢件案搞起嘅嘢。「包致金侄女案」就講範圍細。「包致金侄女事件簿」可以諗，不過會先褪返轉頭，睇吓有冇第啲人有意見。--WikiCantona (傾偈) 2010年8月10號 (二) 18:13 (UTC)回覆

「包致金侄女案」其實都夠用，唔存在範圍細既問題，例如在美國影響深遠既en:Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District案件，後續風波好多，但編寫呢啲案件時，係冇需要累累贄贄講The Incident of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District。

如果真係要改，叫「司法事件」就比「事件簿」清浙啲，因為成單案既重點唔係佢有冇醉駕、襲警，而係司法判決係咪公平，所以叫做「司法事件」；中文維基都有呢類討論，都有解釋呢個問題。:::: 至於「單嘢」呢個字，就應該係最累贄既選擇了。正如上面講，六四事件，並唔駛叫成「六四單嘢」。--Winstonlighter (傾偈) 2010年8月10號 (二) 18:40 (UTC)回覆

如果咁,最切實而通用0既,就係包致金侄女襲警案.* = )< Hillgentleman|書|二零一零年八月十號（星期二）格林尼治 23點46分33秒。>

題外話, WINSTONLIGHTER,我完全睇唔明你呢句: "廣東話係半文半白既體裁";你可唔可以講清係點解? * = )< Hillgentleman|書|二零一零年八月十號（星期二）格林尼治 23點32分33秒。>

乃係指粵語包含唔少文言色彩, 唔需要因為佢唔似日常口語,就一律當成普通話。比如「奉政府籲, 戲院場院嚴禁吸烟」、「請勿靠近車門」、甚至「乃係」本身就係半白半文既例子; 粵語仍然會講「何解」、「有何貴幹」, 呢啲屬於文言, 兼且融入粵語之內, 而唔係普通話。

有個流行講法, 話普通話能夠成為標準語, 紅樓夢功不可沒, 因為紅樓夢展現咗以北方方言為基礎既白話, 可以咁美觀. 雖然聽落有啲誇張, 至少明清散文、元曲, 都已經有白話傾向, 但當我哋寫粵語, 實在無必須因古而非之, 因雅而否定之。粵語有句「等我倚欄吹簫」, 出自粵語經典再世紅梅記, 唔駛改成「等我埃住欄桿吹簫」先叫粵語.

至於「事件」呢個字, 出處待考, 唔知會唔會係日文回流漢字じけん, 但好明顯已融入粵語生活, 無乜需要排斥。--Winstonlighter (傾偈) 2010年8月11號 (三) 08:13 (UTC)回覆

閣下嘅觀點/例子同令我諗起陳雲喺《中文解毒－－從混帳文字到通順中文》一書中講到得人驚嘅「中文」，陳雲並冇將呢啲講成「粵語」，頂多叫「三及第」。本人成日諗乜先做廣東話/粵語呢？係唔係時下流行嘅「我講寫我口」嘅港式報紙廣東話，定係含古雅文言嘅寫嘢方法呢？諗唔通。--WikiCantona (傾偈) 2010年8月12號 (四) 02:17 (UTC)回覆

The distinction between written language and oral lanugage is artificial. Written language is just a condensed form of the oral language. Just like you can read the bible in english in the same way you write it. Obama can give a speech and you can read the exact words he spokes, unlike in Hong Kong where all "嘅“are translated to "的”before a text is published. Even Shakespeare was not an author. He is an actor and a playwright. Chaucer wrote lively languages. 詩經其實都係古代口語。 * = )< Hillgentleman|書|二零一零年八月十四號（星期六）格林尼治 03點43分32秒。>

呢件事，核心就係案，用案都幾啱。其他支節，都因案而起。不過罪係Amina犯，叫包致金侄女，有啲偏頗，而且佢都係夏佳理甥女喎？HenryLi (傾偈) 2010年8月12號 (四) 07:00 (UTC)回覆