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城市論壇嘅技術部係用嚟討論技術問題。如果遇到臭蟲或者請求新嘅功能,請到Phabricator提出,因為開發人員唔能夠保證會睇呢一頁。

常見問題:

  • 伺服器嘅間歇延遲可能會令到篇新文需要幾分鐘時間至會出現,以致監察清單、貢獻同埋頁面歷史/舊檢視有時唔會顯示到非常之近嘅更改。呢個問題我哋而家響度跟進緊。
  • 個搜尋索引有時會脫班,有機會去到幾個星期前有多。由於咁嘅原因,響搜尋度搵到嘅變動未必會即時反映出嚟。
  • 如果全部嘅連結突然間加咗底綫(又或者冇咗條底綫),噉就可能你嘅瀏覽器載入其中一個css時失敗咗。請強制去重載或者繞過你嘅快取
  • 如果你對整你別出心裁嘅簽名係有問題嘅話,可以睇下Wikipedia:點樣修正你嘅簽名
  • 如果你換咗塊皮,但係又唔可以換返嚟,用呢個連結

喺城市論壇技術部嘅新手人兄,喺呢度貼文之前請先閱讀呢啲指引

請喺你嘅留言道加上你嘅簽名用埋時間(打入~~~~或者撳一下編輯工具欄上面嘅簽名掣)。請響最尾道加上新嘅題目。
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{{維基書本}} 編輯

我想問點解{{維基書本}}會係連去英文版嘅?係{{維基書本}}個模定係{{Sister project}}個模預設咗,可以點樣改返去粵語版本。 ——Z423X5C6傾偈2022年7月19號 (二) 03:10 (UTC)回覆

用全名嘅就要用wikibooks:yue:;用短字嘅就要用b:Shinjiman 2022年7月19號 (二) 03:45 (UTC)回覆
所以將所有「wikibooks:」換哂做「wikibooks:yue:」就得? ——Z423X5C6傾偈2022年7月19號 (二) 03:48 (UTC)回覆
b:嘅話就直接啲,因為唔知有冇版係已經用咗呢個模去用呢個參數嘅。建議睇返其它喺Category:跨維基模嘅用法先至好改,改咗嘅就要睇埋Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:維基書,改返好啲參數。 Shinjiman 2022年7月19號 (二) 04:38 (UTC)回覆
@Shinjiman我發現就算改做「b:」好似都唔得,係咪因為佢仲喺incubator,變咗跳唔到過去? ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年5月11號 (四) 13:59 (UTC)回覆
彈過去incubator唔算係問題,但每一版有b:開頭嘅全部彈過去有關語言incubator嘅「頭版」就應該係一個問題嚟。 Shinjiman 2023年5月12號 (五) 04:13 (UTC)回覆
@Shinjiman係囉,咁所以應該點樣解決? ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年5月12號 (五) 06:03 (UTC)回覆
噉就要報上去Phabricator搵人處理,因為呢個問題已經超出咗粵維做得到嘅範圍 (Interwiki-Interlanguage mapping)。 Shinjiman 2023年5月12號 (五) 06:42 (UTC)回覆

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks? 編輯

 
The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 30 wikis, including sister projects, all accounting for more than 1 billion pageviews per month. On average 87% of active logged-in users of those wikis use Vector 2022.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

About the skin 編輯

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

How can editors change and customize this skin? 編輯

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan 編輯

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying in the week of October 3, 2022. If your community would like to request more time to discuss the changes, hit the button and write to us. We can adjust the calendar.

Also, if you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will also gladly answer! See our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年9月22號 (四) 03:14 (UTC)回覆

翻譯:喺兩星期內將Vector 2022年版設為預設外觀畫面? 編輯

 
我哋喺2022年維基年會嘅演講簡報

你好。我係維基媒體基金會Web小組嘅代表。喺兩星期內,我哋希望將呢個wiki嘅預設畫面設為Vector 2022年版。

我哋用咗過去3年去整呢個新畫面。目前為止,呢個畫面已經被設為超過30個wiki嘅預設畫面,包括姊妹計劃,合計每月瀏覽次數達到10億。平均嚟講,呢啲wiki上面有87%活躍用户用緊Vector 2022年版。

佢會成為所有未登入用户,同埋所有用緊舊版Vector嘅已登入用户嘅預設畫面。登入咗嘅用户可以隨時轉去任何其他畫面。呢啲改動唔會影響用緊呢啲其他畫面嘅用户。

關於呢個畫面 編輯

[點解呢個改動有必要] 現時嘅預設畫面符合13年前嘅讀者同編者嘅需求。自此以嚟,有新嘅用户開始用維基媒體嘅各個網站,而 舊版Vector唔能夠滿足佢哋嘅需要

[目標] 呢個新畫面嘅目標係整返個對讀者舒適、對編者實用嘅界面。靈感嚟自過往嘅請求、一年一度嘅社羣願望清單,以及啲架撐仔。過程中亦幫到我哋跟從標準同改善所有其他畫面。我哋減少咗75%維基媒體部署咗嘅畫面入面嘅PHP代碼。呢個專案亦都有專注令個畫面更容易支援啲架撐仔同用啲API。

[改動同測試結果] 呢個畫面引入咗一系列改善可讀性同可用性嘅改動,亦無移除任何舊版Vector現時有嘅功能。

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • 新版目錄令穿梭各個小節更加容易。比起舊版目錄,讀者同編者用目錄跳去其他小節用多咗50%。It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • 新搜索欄易揾啲,由一覽度揾啱嘅結果又易啲。喺我哋測試過嘅各個wiki上面,整體開始揾嘢嘅次數增加咗30%。
  • 新版畫面唔會對瀏覽量、編輯量或開户數帶嚟負面影響。橫跨各社羣夥伴間,有證據顯示瀏覽量同開户數增加。

[試下] 如果你想試下呢個新畫面嘅話,你可以去自訂喜好嘅外觀頁,由畫面一覽度揀Vector (2022)。

編者可以點改同自訂呢個畫面? 編輯

你可以調整同自訂呢個畫面。我哋支持整新架撐同用户腳本嘅義工。請去我哋嘅repository度睇睇現時用得嘅customizations,或者加你自己整嘅嘢落去。

我哋嘅計劃 編輯

如果無大問題或疑慮嘅話,我哋計劃喺2022年10月3號嗰個禮拜進行部署。如果你嘅社羣想要多啲時間討論呢啲改動嘅話,請㩒下面個掣同我哋講。我哋會調整部署日期。

仲有,如果你想問我哋任何問題,或者想表達疑慮或其他諗法嘅話,請喺呢度ping我,或者去呢個專案嘅討論版度留言。我哋會好高興解答!請睇下我哋嘅常見問題一覽。多謝! —SGrabarczuk (WMF)

譯:H78c67c·傾偈 2022年9月22號 (四) 06:34 (UTC)回覆

討論 編輯

唔該晒User:H78c67c細心翻譯。我支持按全域時間表推出新介面。維基百科成日俾人笑「封存咗2000年代嘅互聯網文化」,我哋係時候與時並進。翹仔 (傾偈) 2022年9月22號 (四) 12:22 (UTC)回覆

又話「喺2022年10月3號嗰個禮拜進行部署」?而家都過咗個幾禮拜,乜都見唔到。--Rainpong (傾偈) 2022年10月13號 (四) 11:50 (UTC)回覆

@Deryck Chan, @Rainpong, thank you for the comments, your interest in and support for the project! We have found out that there was a bug impacting wikis in Chinese scripts. This is why we have decided to stop the deployment. I'll let you know when we're ready. Best regards, SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年11月9號 (三) 04:58 (UTC)回覆
@SGrabarczuk (WMF) Do you have a link or any other details of the bug? I just switched because I wanted to see the problem, but I don’t know what to look for. Thanks. Al12si (傾偈) 2022年11月9號 (三) 18:53 (UTC)回覆
Hey @Al12si, I don't remember myself, but I've asked my colleagues. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2022年11月10號 (四) 02:13 (UTC)回覆
簡譯:因為發現咗新介面處理漢字有問題,所以暫緩將新介面喺漢字語文站點設定成預設嘅計劃。唔肯定實際問題係乜,會問同事。 翹仔 (傾偈) 2022年11月11號 (五) 09:49 (UTC)回覆
你可以跟上面指示,開新介面嚟用。我開咗,覺得效果唔錯。 翹仔 (傾偈) 2022年11月9號 (三) 15:29 (UTC)回覆
我改咗睇過,暫時改返,我覺得 @SGrabarczuk (WMF) 提到嘅問題(視乎係乜問題,我唔知)未必同中文有關。
我覺得用窄熒幕嘅人(例如做文字工作,慣用 portrait mode 擺 mon 嘅人)應該轉下睇睇,佢哋喺爾方面嘅測試可能唔係好夠。
我哋頭版轉咗新介面之後比之前仲要窄,窄到大使館嗰段通告一行得四五個字(每日靚畫情況冇變差,只係同而今一樣咁差);如果我哋 go ahead 就一定要改頭版格式先掂。 Al12si (傾偈) 2022年11月9號 (三) 19:29 (UTC)回覆
我見依家連通常最後deploy嘅英文維基都deploy咗,希望佢哋唔係遺忘咗呢度。--Rainpong (傾偈) 2023年1月21號 (六) 05:10 (UTC)回覆
佢舊年11月嘅講法係"there was a bug impacting wikis in Chinese scripts",可能搞掂個bug就所有Chinese scripts版本一齊做,唔會出現原本預期粵維比中維行先嘅情況。--Ivanlam88 (傾偈) 2023年1月23號 (一) 02:00 (UTC)回覆

點解加咗個鼓勵人翻譯到中文維基嘅功能? 編輯

上嚟睇粵文維基發現多咗個功能,如果篇文未有連其他語言,左邊「話」仍會顯示「中文」嘅連結,如果㩒入去,就會開個翻譯工具,引導人將內容翻譯成中文,並喺中文維基發佈。但同一時間,中文維基未見有同類功能,如果篇文未有連其他語言,係唔會叫人翻譯做粵文或者其他語言。

我唔係成日睇住,唔肯定粵文維基社群有冇事前討論過(似乎搵唔到),但呢個功能對粵文維基嘅發展恐怕會有負面影響。一直以嚟,粵文維基有唔少題材因為唔符合中文維基收錄門檻,又或者中文維基冇人關注,而做咗粵文維基獨家文章,有唔少讀者靠搵中呢啲題材而接觸粵文維基。如果鼓勵人翻譯到中文維基,令中文維基都有同一題材嘅文章,除非粵文維基嘅文章做到好詳盡,否則多數人都會傾向睇中文維基,減少粵文維基接觸網民嘅機會。

我諗既然中文維基都唔見有呢個功能,點解唯獨粵文維基會有呢?如果粵文維基社群從來冇同意過,又可唔可以要求取消呢? Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年2月17號 (五) 14:44 (UTC)回覆

請檢查係毋係“[[zh:某標題]]”作怪,否則認真大劑!--202.141.212.98討論2023年2月18號 (六) 01:03 (UTC)回覆
我都見到(以冇連Wikidata嘅「陰目偵信」做例子,有「英文」同「中文」兩個翻譯連結),之前唔覺,應該係最近新加嘅。登入先至見到,登出咗就見唔到。而中維、英維呢啲大語種都唔見有。估計可能係上頭(基金會)覺得細語種獨有嘅知識應該要畀更多人睇到,所以就鼓勵人將細語種內容翻譯去大語種,喺宏觀角度有佢哋嘅道理,但如果用細語種角度去諗,而家即係喺細語種地頭宣傳叫人幫手貢獻大語種,我覺得係傷害緊細語種。--Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 06:32 (UTC)回覆
呢個係ContentTranslation嘅功能之一,早喺2014年已經開始開發,好耐之前推出咗,唔係新功能嚟。H78c67c·傾偈 2023年2月18號 (六) 06:44 (UTC)回覆
我跟住個例子睇,喺我度淨係見到 「英文」(喺我度冇 「中文」),撳入去會出翻譯畫面。我喺 「喜好設定」 搵到一個叫 「Access to start a translation, from the contributions page, the language list, and new page creations.」 嘅選項,預設係開着。我都唔贊同咁嘅做法。 Al12si (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 06:48 (UTC)回覆
回覆H78c67c:就算個功能推出好耐,但之前一路都冇強加畀人,所以問題關鍵就係佢而家唔知點解由預設關閉改成預設開啟,同埋並唔係所有語種統一去推行,大語種都未有安排改成預設開啟。--Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 06:53 (UTC)回覆
@Alfakwan: 我啱啱摷咗一陣,發覺呢個功能相關資料真係少得淒涼。呢個功能似乎叫做「gray link(s) panel」,mw:Content translation/Product Definition/Entry points#Surfacing lacking languages有介紹。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年2月18號 (六) 06:56 (UTC)回覆
@Al12si: 睇返2019年嘅commit f171aaa,粵維嗰陣呢個選項嘅預設閂咗嘅。最衰個file太多改動,開唔到個blame嚟睇係邊個改咗佢。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:05 (UTC)回覆
揾到喇,係啱啱星期四UTC 08:15 deploy 嘅Change 889656將呢個功能改為預設開着嘅。詳情請睇phab:T304865H78c67c·傾偈 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:09 (UTC)回覆
咁大改動都唔放 tech news... ugh... Al12si (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:10 (UTC)回覆
呢個task係專為粵維而開,居然完全冇同粵維社群溝通過。--Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:15 (UTC)回覆
@Alfakwan:佢哋認為Wikipedia:城市論壇_(技術)/歸檔/2022年6月#Enabling_Content_and_Section_translation_tool_in_Cantonese_Wikipedia算係溝通咗。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:21 (UTC)回覆
原來係噉。可能大家對「enable」個定義有落差啦。喺我眼中Content translation已經enable咗畀人用好耐,想用嘅可以自己開嚟用,但佢近期嘅動作係「所有粵維註冊用戶預設開啟」(default enable for all yue wiki registered users),我又唔覺佢舊年6月個通知有提及過會用呢種方式推行。(講明先:我自己未試用過Content translation,一路以為佢只係方便人由其他語言翻譯去粵維,冇諗過會同時叫人由粵維翻譯去其他語言。)--Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 07:38 (UTC)回覆
嘩!咁難得有個契機,請有能力及技術保護自己嘅管理員(其實本用户都有啲驚……)順便勸喻維基媒體基金會處理谷歌打壓粵文版維基百科呢個嚴重問題,請睇「https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%9F%8E%E5%B8%82%E8%AB%96%E5%A3%87_(%E9%9B%9C%E9%A0%85)#%E8%B0%B7%E6%AD%8C%E7%8E%A9%E5%BC%84%E4%B8%AD%E5%85%B1%E9%86%9C%E8%81%9E%E4%BE%8B%E5%AD%90」及「https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Universehk#%E9%80%A3%E7%B5%90%E7%B6%AD%E5%9F%BA%E6%95%B8%E6%93%9A」,有齊客觀證據!以前有檔香港傳媒可能會關心……--49.176.167.107討論2023年2月18號 (六) 08:16 (UTC)回覆

多謝解釋。我做個簡單小結先:舊年6月WMF曾經通知粵文維基「Enabling Content and Section translation tool in Cantonese Wikipedia」,但未獲粵文維基社群關注,直到今個禮拜四晚WMF安排為全體粵文維基戶口預設開啟「Content and Section translation tool」,而「Content and Section translation tool」入面包含喺文章左側語言清單入面增加「gray link(s) panel」功能,鼓勵用戶翻譯去其他語言(具體語言按照用戶本身瀏覽習慣而定,例如我只係見到中文、Al12si兄只係見到英文、Alfakwan兄就同時見到中英文),而因為「鼓勵用戶翻譯去其他語言」呢個功能可能會為粵文維基帶嚟潛在負面影響嘅疑慮,引發今次嘅討論。

我又有兩條問題 —— 一條民意調查同一條技術問題:

  1. 大家認為「gray link(s) panel」功能應唔應該喺粵文維基預設開啟?
  2. 如果粵文維基社群主流意見認為唔應該預設開啟「gray link(s) panel」功能:
    • 如果技術上有得獨立閂「gray link(s) panel」,可唔可以安排粵文維基預設閂呢個功能,有需要嘅用戶可以自己去開?(唔影響「Content and Section translation tool」其他功能)
    • 如果技術上冇得獨立閂「gray link(s) panel」(綑綁「Content and Section translation tool」),可唔可以安排粵文維基撤回預設開啟成個「Content and Section translation tool」,有需要嘅用戶可以自己去開?

--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年2月18號 (六) 13:12 (UTC)回覆

要預設閂咗呢個功能嘅「無私」原因,係佢專門鼓勵啲生手用户一時興起以此練習,無意間製造錯漏,誤人子弟,同時阻礙正確嘅原文曝光;「中」文版維基百科充斥英譯「中」嘅長篇半機翻垃圾,資深嘅粵文版維基百科編輯者,都唔會噉樣累街坊兼丢自己架。英譯粵作品以Dr. Greywolf嘅最多(亦似乎係最佳……),可以對照。--49.176.167.107討論2023年2月19號 (日) 03:25 (UTC)回覆
其實維基媒體基金會嘅職員好明白,內容增長速度減慢嘅主要原因,係政商打手勢力過大,家陣為咗做騷,竟然扮懵,走嚟打僅餘淨土嘅主意,借善男信女之手玩「misinformation」!人心叵測……--49.176.167.107討論2023年2月19號 (日) 03:31 (UTC)回覆
我正想報告問題,就見到原來已經討論緊。話說我入去《表演》一版(注意:而家係睇唔返我當時睇到嘅情況),見到零零舍舍得「中文」一個連結,覺得好奇怪,無理由呢個概念只係得中文版。後尾先至搞清楚個連結原來並唔係連去中文版,而係叫人翻譯去中文版,因為篇文未連Wikidata。當我將篇文連過去對應嘅Wikidata項目後,「中文」連結先至變成連去中文版。我認為「第啲話」呢一欄理應純粹擺放已經有其他語言版本嘅文章連結,而唔係擺放叫人翻譯去其他語言版本嘅連結。雖然話翻譯連結用灰色去識別,但如果唔細心睇都唔容易分辨,當見到有個「中文」連結,要望真啲先至知道究竟係代表已經有中文版定只係叫人翻譯去中文版。我唔認同要搞到咁複雜,希望可以為所有人恢復原狀。--XRTIER (傾偈) 2023年2月19號 (日) 09:19 (UTC)回覆
本用户之前可能錯怪咗佢哋;話唔定係樂觀到離譜嘅人好心做壞事啫。其實,只要肯認真諗下,都知道唔理係焉啲話,鼓勵人將某篇文由有人打理嘅地方,直譯去冇人打理嘅地方,結果好極有限;當然,睇唔明官話白話文嘅人,未必會見到咁多嚇死人嘅實例。至於人機合一嘅跨國「disinformation」亂象,實在深不可測,應該暫時擱置。--49.176.167.107討論2023年2月21號 (二) 09:58 (UTC)回覆

A reply to "Why did you add a function to encourage people to translate to the Chinese wiki?" 編輯

Hello Cantonese Wikipedians,

I am Uzoma Ozurumba, a Community Relations Specialist supporting the Language team.

I apologise for our permanently enabling Content and Section Translation to your Wikipedia which surprised you. We announced our plans to permanently enable these tools in your Wikipedia last year, and there was no objection from your community. A minor blocker delayed the enablement until now that the tool is enabled.

From your conversation here, I can see you are worried about this enablement in your Wikipedia. I want to explain that Content translation already exists as a beta feature in your Wikipedia, but now it can be discovered by more contributors. However, users not interested in the translation tool can disable it from their preferences.

The Section translation tool is an improvement of the Content translation that allows translators to easily translate with their mobile device one section at a time.

Once again, I apologise for this oversight, and I would like to get your feedback and questions about the tool and the enablements.

Best regards UOzurumba (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年2月20號 (一) 18:33 (UTC)回覆

  • 呢度係粵文維基,淨係睇個名都知,大家寫嘅係粵文,唔係英文。我唔理你哋咩原因,你哋要上嚟呢度講嘢,要有效,唔該你解決你嘅語言問題,至少畀人睇得明,唔係老奉噉貼一大餅英文上嚟好冇?尤其是好似「Content translation tool」事件噉,你哋貼完英文上嚟,大家睇唔明,冇回應,你哋居然當大家同意!你哋唔好再野蠻啲?!
  • This is Cantonese wiki, as the name implies, we're writing in Cantonese, not English. I don't care what your reason is, if you want to communicate with us, you should solve your language problem and write Cantonese, at least let people know what you mean, instead of posting a bunch of English words, okay? Especially in the case of the "Content translation tool", you posted English, people could not understand it, no response, and you took it as an agreement! Please don't be barbaric! (the English sentences are translated by DeepL)
——咪用實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字嚟扠禍粵文。Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2023年7月27號 (四) 06:29 (UTC)回覆
你睇唔明就收皮過主laa。 RZuo (傾偈) 2023年9月17號 (日) 11:58 (UTC)回覆
粵文係粵維嘅工作語言,英文唔係。喺粵維用粵文天經地義,喺粵維用英文係違反粵維本來嘅環境。我指出呢個問題,你居然鬧我「收皮」「過主」?如果我眞係「睇唔明」,會回應到佢咩?但我睇得明都好,唔代表佢哋有權違反粵維嘅作業語言,然後老奉咁屈大家唔回應就係同意。佢哋有錯,我如實指出嚟,你憑乜嘢鬧我「收皮」「過主」? ——咪用實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字嚟扠禍粵文。Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2023年9月18號 (一) 00:45 (UTC)回覆

建議限制使用Content translation tool 編輯

唔知而家出聲算唔算遲,我見WMF始終唔肯撤回為粵文維基百科所有用戶「預設開啟」Content translation tool功能,但我覺得呢啲工具真係唔適宜隨便開放畀所有用戶用。最近有篇文由新手用Content translation tool翻譯,質素唔合格。我又發現原來英文維基百科係為Content translation tool定咗規矩:只有「extended confirmed users」(註冊夠30日、編輯夠500次)先至可以用。英文維基百科有咁多人手檢查文章,都定咗一個門檻唔畀新手用Content translation tool,作為細語種嘅粵文維基百科就更加需要。我動議下面兩個決議,希望粵維社群可以有共識,反映畀WMF:

  1. 為粵文維基百科引入「extended confirmed users」,條件係註冊夠30日、編輯夠500次(條件係咪跟到足英維可以再傾),只有粵文維基百科嘅「extended confirmed users」先至可以喺粵文維基百科用Content and Section translation tool
  2. 粵文維基百科預設關閉Content and Section translation tool,非「extended confirmed users」唔可以手動開,而「extended confirmed users」可以手動開

@HkzenseAlfakwanH78c67cAl12siXRTIER 唔知大家點睇。--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2023年7月2號 (日) 03:55 (UTC)回覆

對方出嘅牌係:「以前」得到咗默認共識……我方似乎要跟英文版慣例行事,來次投票,強調有「新」動議要求改變現狀,避免將佢定義為「還原」!掌權嗰班人有啲長年扮純情……--49.176.167.107討論2023年7月2號 (日) 07:12 (UTC)回覆
題外話:有時真係覺得氣餒;花咁多功夫理解人哋啲陰招,到頭嚟可能只係幫谷歌賺多咗啲廣告費。--49.176.167.107討論2023年7月2號 (日) 08:29 (UTC)回覆
第一冇回應可以理解做「默認共識」,都可能係「默認冇共識」,而後者就應該要按兵不動或者保持不變。佢噉樣話「得到咗默認共識」,係老屈。
第二,粵維嘅工作語文係粵文,佢哋根本冇人用過粵維有效嘅工作語文嚟同粵維溝通,一大堆外語撻落嚟,粵維嘅人老奉要處理?佢憑乜嘢擅自認為「得到咗」共識?——咪用實際上係錯別字嘅偽本字嚟扠禍粵文。Cangjie6 (傾偈) 2023年7月2號 (日) 19:17 (UTC)回覆
同意唔好自動開着呢個功能俾所有用戶,起碼要有少少經驗先。對我嚟講CX最大問題係周圍有太多「廣告」想人用,但啲機械翻譯係廢嘅(所以卒之停用咗),格式、連結又唔識自動搬,其實只不過係個 glorified side-by-side editor。而家嘅設計搞到新人加入就想人由零開始翻譯篇文,但好多人根本唔識 wikitext 語句,甚至對粵文同百科嘅語調唔熟悉;搞咁多嘢最終要其他人執手尾。實際執行方面,我覺得就算調教到要autoconfirmed都夠——WMF似乎唔鍾意幫細語種加extendedconfirmed(見phab:T336343等)。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年7月7號 (五) 14:38 (UTC)回覆
@H78c67c話時話,粵維translate可唔可以開返machine translate?之前用過幾好用,用用吓無咗... ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年7月7號 (五) 14:53 (UTC)回覆
@H78c67c:所謂 glorified side-by-side editor,其實有個名,叫 CAT,係專業人員先識用嘅嘢,佢哋硬推畀普通人其實有啲怪,況且,(根據佢哋喺 Phabricator 點答過我)佢哋連 CAT 係乜都未聽過。 Al12si (傾偈) 2023年7月7號 (五) 20:00 (UTC)回覆
@Z423x5c6:你之前係咪用開佢內置嘅 Google Translate,翻譯咗做中文先?閂咗機械翻譯嘅原因係佢哋之前硬推嘅 NLLB-200 出嘅翻譯錯到七彩,@Al12si 同我走去投訴,搞到佢哋索性閂曬啲機翻算。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年7月7號 (五) 22:56 (UTC)回覆
@H78c67c我用 NLLB-200 再人手改啊,印象中Google無得譯做廣東話? ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年7月8號 (六) 04:10 (UTC)回覆
噉樣aa4。如果你覺得 NLLB-200 有用嘅話,我估我哋可以叫佢哋開返嘅... 之但係一定一定唔可以預設開俾新人用,otherwise 我無所謂。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年7月13號 (四) 05:04 (UTC)回覆
如果可以開返就好啦。無理由因為幾粒老鼠屎,搞到大家都無得用。如果set做confirmed user先用得應該ok? ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年7月13號 (四) 15:22 (UTC)回覆
其實CX促成嘅低質翻譯,影響唔止係噉。除咗要人執手尾之外,WMF其實會集齊啲 sentence pairs 釋出做語料庫mw:Content_translation/Published_translations#Parallel_corpora),執唔切嘅話啲低質翻譯就會自動俾其他 project pick up,然後佢哋會用呢啲低質原料整低質機翻。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年7月7號 (五) 22:50 (UTC)回覆
除咗低質翻譯外,ContentTranslation本身缺陷多多,另一個討論話題「ContentTranslation唔識連Wikidata」都已經提過,翻譯完又唔識連結去翻譯來源嘅Wikidata項目;建議人做翻譯嗰陣又無視對應嘅Wikidata項目已經有粵文版本而照叫人重新翻譯。預設開放畀所有人用係個好錯誤嘅決定。--Espotono (傾偈) 2023年7月10號 (一) 07:20 (UTC)回覆
應該對所有人預設為閂咗,不過可以鑲個開關制喺唔顯眼嘅地方;正如喺間屋入面,一般大人唔會擺切肉刀、老鼠藥及通渠水等工具喺兒童玩具側邊,不過未至於要將佢哋鎖起嚟。--49.176.167.107討論2023年7月14號 (五) 18:15 (UTC)回覆
唔知點解我收唔到ping通知,好彩都見到個討論。我同意對所有人預設閂(還原到2023年2月中旬之前嘅狀態),亦同意為自己開返個功能加個門檻。而家粵維autoconfirmed只係註冊4日同10次編輯,如果用autoconfirmed做門檻,老實講效果相當有限,不過既然上面討論提到粵維好難爭取另開extendedconfirmed,所以唯有勉強接受用autoconfirmed做門檻。--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年7月23號 (日) 13:29 (UTC)回覆

出現戲劇性嘅發展:當初最大爭議嘅「gray link(s) panel」,隨住Vector 2022嘅全面啟用而變相廢除咗。不過根據上面嘅討論,粵文維基社群要求「Content translation tool唔應該開畀新手用」嘅共識係好清晰嘅,而多數人同意可以用confirmed user做門檻。我覺得可以嘗試反映畀WMF。--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2023年8月11號 (五) 14:49 (UTC)回覆

雖然將Vector 2022設成預設外觀係解決咗一開頭提到嘅問題,但今次只可以話係「咁啱得咁橋」,而唔係WMF聆聽粵文維基社群意見後主動撤回。--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年8月19號 (六) 14:11 (UTC)回覆

我見未存檔就繼續講啦。我無意中發現中文維基百科近日已經成功爭取「只有擁有延伸確認權限用戶可以使用內容翻譯功能將頁面釋出到主條目空間」(相關連結),相反雖然早喺舊年粵文維基社群已經有「Content translation tool唔應該開畀新手用」嘅共識,但從未獲進一步跟進,間中仍出現因新手用Content translation 寫到亂七八糟而導致唔少手尾要跟。--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2024年4月18號 (四) 15:11 (UTC)回覆

模分類求助 編輯

有幾個模而今冇正確分類⸺Template:lang-grcTemplate:lang-heTemplate:lang-ti⸺爾啲都係我改,只係轉咗模組版,等出到羅馬拼音。開咗模解,模同模解都係照 lang-ar 模格式照抄,對過好多次,睇極都唔覺有嘢抄錯,但係就係喺 Category:Lang-x 模冇出現。想請教高人我係做錯咗乜,係咪做嘢次序錯咗,定係系統出錯。麻煩嗮!(PS: Template:lang-am 本來都分咗類但係冇出,而今正常返,但係我唔知點解正常返。) Al12si (傾偈) 2023年3月10號 (五) 07:00 (UTC)回覆

取消Template:Location_map_xxx 編輯

比照英維,佢哋好似冇使到Template:Location_map_xxx(xxx=具體地名/地圖名)而直接用Module:Location_map_xxx,雖然冇清楚具體係咩操作。應該會免去開一堆Template噶麻煩喺引入其他地圖陣時。 汩汩银泉 (傾偈) 2023年4月6號 (四) 22:34 (UTC)回覆

Graph extension disabled 編輯

Yesterday the Wikimedia Foundation noted that in the interests of the security of our users, the Graph extension was disabled. This means that pages that were formerly displaying graphs will now display a small blank area. To help readers understand this situation, communities can now define a brief message that can be displayed to readers in place of each graph until this is resolved. That message can be defined on each wiki at MediaWiki:Graph-disabled. Wikimedia Foundation staff are looking at options available and expected timelines. For updates, follow the public Phabricator task for this issue: T334940

--MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2023年4月19號 (三) 17:36 (UTC)回覆

跳轉分類模 編輯

我留意到好多年前,有引入跳轉分類模嘅嘗試(Template:短名跳轉Template:R from move等) ,但最終冇大規模實行,MediaWiki:Move-redirect-text等介面信息亦冇作出相應嘅修改。唔知各位對呢類模有咩意見呢?會唔會想統一命名同實施呢? H78c67c·傾偈 2023年5月11號 (四) 04:17 (UTC)回覆

我曾經喺英維幫手處理過呢啲模。如果有人幫手喺粵維tag晒啲跳轉,我樂見其成。Twinkle 好似有功能可以用嚟 tag 跳轉? 翹仔 (傾偈) 2023年7月21號 (五) 15:03 (UTC)回覆

簽名無就噉【U:名】? 編輯

中文WP嘅簽名有得簡寫【U:名】,爾度係唔係淨係得【User:名】?希望可以加入簡寫【U:名】噉就可以塞多啲嘢落簽名。 ——勿用「進行」污染中文,要言簡意賅。 匣趕以乙精寫 2023年5月11號 (四) 11:12 (UTC)回覆

Automatic citations based on ISBN are broken 編輯

Apologies if this message does not reach you in your favorite language. You can help translate it centrally at Meta. Thanks for your help.

We have recently become unable to access the WorldCat API which provided the ability to generate citations using ISBN numbers. The Wikimedia Foundation's Editing team is investigating several options to restore the functionality, but will need to disable ISBN citation generation for now.

This affects citations made with the VisualEditor Automatic tab, and the use of the citoid API in gadgets and user scripts, such as the autofill button on refToolbar. Please note that all the other automatic ways of generating citations, including via URL or DOI, are still available.

You can keep updated on the situation via Phabricator, or by reading the next issues of m:Tech News. If you know of any users or groups who rely heavily on this feature (for instance, someone who has an upcoming editathon), I'd appreciate it if you shared this update with them.

Elitre (WMF), on behalf of the Editing team.

MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2023年5月11號 (四) 19:45 (UTC)回覆

ContentTranslation唔識連Wikidata 編輯

自從上面強制粵維啟用 ContentTranslation 功能後,似乎都吸引到人用,但發現有一個好大嘅缺陷,就係唔識連Wikidata。以呢篇黃大仙公共圖書館為例,編輯摘要寫到明「由翻譯版《黃大仙公共圖書館》去建立」,但篇文並未連結中維對應文章(而家見到有連,係因為我幫手連)。翻譯完某個語言版本後,自動連返去對應語言版本都好合理,唔知點解可以諗漏呢一步。 Alfakwan (傾偈) 2023年5月13號 (六) 04:48 (UTC)回覆

其實印象中之前係會自動連,唔知點解反而依家退步咗。 ——Z423X5C6傾偈2023年5月13號 (六) 10:10 (UTC)回覆
除咗唔識連Wikidata,ContentTranslation可以話係完全唔理Wikidata。譬如有樣嘢個名叫A或者B,粵文已經用咗A個名開版並連結Wikidata,當有人想開B時, ContentTranslation一樣會叫人試下翻譯第二個語言嘅A,而唔識話「呢樣嘢已經有人開咗叫A嘅文,應該將B跳轉去A」,可能會導致人重覆開文。--Espotono (傾偈) 2023年5月25號 (四) 05:48 (UTC)回覆
本來ContentTranslation唔應該開畀新手用,實有好多手尾要人跟,所以我一直都好反對WMF「預設開啟」呢個功能。--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年6月10號 (六) 02:39 (UTC)回覆

Internal Link Helper 編輯

最近開發人員移除咗jQuery.tipsy,導致ILH嘅JavaScript架生失效。我基於Reference Tooltips架生寫咗個全新版本,可以加以下內容入自己嘅common.js同common.css度睇下。(ping埋@Shinjiman睇下可唔可以畀介面管理權我更新個架生)

mw.loader.load("https://zh-yue.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:H78c67c/internalLinkHelper.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
@import url('//zh-yue.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:H78c67c/internalLinkHelper.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css');

H78c67c·傾偈 2023年5月28號 (日) 15:04 (UTC)回覆

已經加咗介面管理員權限三個月,過咗期之後如果再有需要嘅話請再出聲。 Shinjiman 2023年5月29號 (一) 00:48 (UTC)回覆
@Al12si You might be interested in this. H78c67c·傾偈 2023年6月9號 (五) 22:32 (UTC)回覆

用字變換 編輯

啱啱見到,@Winston Sung兄做咗呢個變動,未知會啲乜嘢嘅問題嘅,特此通報一吓先。但個人上面有啲意見嘅,建議呢個變換只應用於睇嘢模式,而唔應該應用喺改嘢模式,而嗰啲一對多對應問題應該要喺MediaWiki軟件本身層面度解決,唔應該喺粵維上面做。喺呢啲問題未完全解決之前,我個人唔同意咁輕率噉開動呢個LanguageConverter功能。(可以睇埋Wikipedia:用字轉換Shinjiman 2023年5月30號 (二) 02:32 (UTC)回覆

功能說明:如之前所說嘅,此次部署嘅YueConverter僅有對睇嘢操作部分提供繁=>不轉換及繁=>簡係單向轉換。-- Winston Sung (傾偈) 2023年5月30號 (二) 03:46 (UTC)回覆
@Winston Sung:其實既然LC咁多bug,點解仲要夾硬推行呢?而家諸多問題要成個wiki無了期等你哋整,點解唔鏟走yue LC,喺其他wiki度施施然整好咗先再加返呢?況且本來呢個功能demand唔大,個JavaScript架生都夠曬用,我真係唔明搞啲噉嘅嘢出嚟係為乜。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年6月13號 (二) 00:14 (UTC)回覆
個JavaScript架生應唔得處理流動版。 122.100.75.52討論2023年6月17號 (六) 04:32 (UTC)回覆

流動版Converter有bug? 編輯

@Winston Sung 我電腦版流動版都會睇,而家流動版無論篇文有無其他語言版本,個語言連結都一律啟用,一時間唔係咁習慣,不過我發現最大問題係「建議嘅語言」,除咗「原」同「簡」之外,仲有個叫「Missing in 不轉換」,㩒落去就會叫人登入,係咪有bug?--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年6月10號 (六) 02:23 (UTC)回覆

係已知bug。「Missing in 不轉換」係zh嘅變體名稱,係ContentTranslation嘅問題,與LanguageConverter無關。 122.100.75.52討論2023年6月17號 (六) 04:31 (UTC)回覆
之前ContentTranslation明明話「所有粵維註冊用戶預設開啟」(default enable for all yue wiki registered users),乜原來流動版仲靜雞雞將ContentTranslation開放埋畀未註冊(未登入)用戶,有冇離譜啲呀?不過而家LanguageConverter已經停用,暫時見唔到莫名奇妙嘅「Missing in 不轉換」,我都費事追究。--Hkzense (傾偈) 2023年7月23號 (日) 13:19 (UTC)回覆

我整咗Template:元素嘅鹽,應該無咩問題,歡迎公測吓,並且幫手將原本啲版換晒佢 編輯

有咩問題請即管改。——咪用「進行」污染中文,要言簡意賅。 匣趕以乙精寫 2023年6月16號 (五) 14:50 (UTC)回覆

Announcing the new Elections Committee members 編輯

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.

Hello there,

We are glad to announce the new members and advisors of the Elections Committee. The Elections Committee assists with the design and implementation of the process to select Community- and Affiliate-Selected trustees for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. After an open nomination process, the strongest candidates spoke with the Board and four candidates were asked to join the Elections Committee. Four other candidates were asked to participate as advisors.

Thank you to all the community members who submitted their names for consideration. We look forward to working with the Elections Committee in the near future.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees,

RamzyM (WMF) 2023年6月28號 (三) 18:00 (UTC)回覆

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks 編輯

 
The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

If you prefer keeping the current skin, select "Vector legacy (2010)" in global preferences and save the change.


We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 300 wikis, including most Wikipedias and some sister projects. This accounts for more than 4 billions pageviews per month.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

About the skin 編輯

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

How can editors change and customize this skin? 編輯

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan 編輯

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying on August 9, 2023. If you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will gladly answer! Also, see our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年7月26號 (三) 23:46 (UTC)回覆

Deploying the Phonos in-line audio player to your Wiki 編輯

你好!

Apologies if this message is not in your language, 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言 to your language.

This wiki will soon be able to use the inline audio player implemented by the Phonos extension. This is part of fulfilling a wishlist proposal of providing audio links that play on click.

With the inline audio player, you can add text-to-speech audio snippets to wiki pages by simply using a tag:

<phonos file="audio file" label="Listen"/>

The above tag will show the text next to a speaker icon, and clicking on it will play the audio instantly without taking you to another page. A common example where you can use this feature is in adding pronunciation to words as illustrated on the English Wiktionary below.

{{audio|en|En-uk-English.oga|Audio (UK)}}

Could become:

<phonos file="En-uk-English.oga" label="Audio (UK)"/>

The inline audio player will be available in your wiki in 2 weeks time; in the meantime, we would like you to read about the features and give us feedback or ask questions about it in this talk page.

Thank you!

UOzurumba (WMF), on behalf of the Foundation's Language team

2023年7月27號 (四) 02:26 (UTC)

對Vector 2022嘅意見 編輯

粵文版終於推行Vector 2022,試用一陣暫時都未見有大問題,最唔慣係開完版想連去其他語言時,㩒右上角個「加語言」係假嘅,原來要去右手邊「加跨語言連結」先至係真嘅。 Jason6698 (傾偈) 2023年8月9號 (三) 15:56 (UTC)回覆

我認同,明明「加跨語言連結」同語言有關,但又唔放落「加語言」嘅範圍,確實有少少怪,不過呢個問題唔係粵文維基獨有,我見英文維基都係一樣。
針對粵文維基,我覺得最大問題係粵文維基有啲字未譯好,例如左邊「Main menu」,右邊「Tools」、「Actions」、「Subscribe」、「General」都需要譯返粵文。
--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2023年8月11號 (五) 15:15 (UTC)回覆
@SGrabarczuk (WMF) Simon, can you please look into this? It seems that the 加語言 (add language) button on the top right of a new page in Vector 2022 doesn't work. 翹仔 (傾偈) 2023年9月16號 (六) 21:23 (UTC)回覆
Hey @Deryck Chan. Thanks for pinging me. When I click "Add languages", there's a link "Edit interlanguage links" which goes to Wikidata. What's the issue exactly, @Jason6698 and @Yaukasin? What I've described is not visible for you, or are you expecting something different?
Sorry for asking such basic questions, perhaps you have described this already, but I think that the machine translation doesn't give a precise answer.
Thanks! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年9月18號 (一) 23:13 (UTC)回覆
For pages just created which have not linked to any Wikidata items yet (or any pages in Special:UnconnectedPages), no "Edit interlanguage links" is shown at "Add languages". Jason6698 (傾偈) 2023年9月23號 (六) 01:27 (UTC)回覆
@Jason6698, I agree that it's a pain. I've managed to find out that this task: T329570 documents this need. Some information is also in T282026 and T310259#8610478. As it turns out, it's not just about the skin, but more about Wikidata. I will contact people who may know the details better. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (傾偈) 2023年9月29號 (五) 16:55 (UTC)回覆
@Deryck Chan, @Yaukasin: 查實加語言彈出嚟個menu度有個「改跨語言拎」掣,彈你去維基數據度加。不過同意要令原有個「加跨語言連結」選項更加易搵。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年9月18號 (一) 00:29 (UTC)回覆
@H78c67c 你講嘅情況只適用於已經連咗過維基數據項目嘅文(無論有冇其他語言嘅文),未連維基數據項目嘅就只會顯示「Translate this page」同「開語言設定」兩項。--Yaukasin (傾偈) 2023年9月29號 (五) 15:24 (UTC)回覆
Vector 2022 嘅問題喺窄熒幕比較明顯,如果有做開編輯或者設計所以因為工作需要熒幕擺咗打楝,應該會留意到 Vector 2022 嘅內文部分係窄到唔合理;佢本來問題冇咁嚴重,幾個月前(?)改咗左右都有 side menu,變咗唔係超闊熒幕根本用唔到。(我而今用 Timeless,對窄熒幕用家來講,介面算係最正常。)
呢個問題應該係冇解,係佢哋開發人員唔 check 熒幕夠唔夠位就亂擺嘢,迷信全世界都用緊打橫放嘅超闊熒幕。去 Fabricator 報問題亦根本係嘥時間。Al12si (傾偈) 2023年9月20號 (三) 20:49 (UTC)回覆

Review the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee 編輯

Hello all,

I am pleased to share the next step in the Universal Code of Conduct work. The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) draft charter is now ready for your review.

The Enforcement Guidelines require a Building Committee form to draft a charter that outlines procedures and details for a global committee to be called the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). Over the past few months, the U4C Building Committee worked together as a group to discuss and draft the U4C charter. The U4C Building Committee welcomes feedback about the draft charter now through 22 September 2023. After that date, the U4C Building Committee will revise the charter as needed and a community vote will open shortly afterward.

Join the conversation during the conversation hours or on Meta-wiki.

Best,

RamzyM (WMF), on behalf of the U4C Building Committee, 2023年8月28號 (一) 15:35 (UTC)回覆

Temporary accounts for unregistered editors 編輯

Read this in your language請幫手去譯做你嘅語言 • Please tell other users about these changes

 
Next year, unregistered editors will start using temporary accounts.

In 2024, editors who have not registered an account will automatically begin using temporary accounts. These editors are sometimes called "IP editors" because the IP address is displayed in the page history.

The Trust and Safety Product team gave a presentation at Wikimania about this change. You can watch it on YouTube.

There is more information at m:IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation.

SGrabarczuk (WMF) (討論) 2023年9月30號 (六) 02:05 (UTC)回覆

Opportunities open for the Affiliations Committee, Ombuds commission, and the Case Review Committee 編輯

Hi everyone! The Affiliations Committee (AffCom), Ombuds commission (OC), and the Case Review Committee (CRC) are looking for new members. These volunteer groups provide important structural and oversight support for the community and movement. People are encouraged to nominate themselves or encourage others they feel would contribute to these groups to apply. There is more information about the roles of the groups, the skills needed, and the opportunity to apply on the Meta-wiki page.

On behalf of the Committee Support team,

維基媒體基金會2024年度理事遴選規則章程公佈暨咨詢啟事 編輯

如果需要其他話嘅版本,可以喺元維基搵到。

敬啟者:

維基媒體基金會理事會成員嘅遴選規則章程已經出咗,麻煩睇睇,然後畀啲意見,畀意見嘅限期係2023年10月29號。呢份遴選規則章程係根據選舉委員會往年用開嘅舊版本,新版本會用喺2024年度嘅理事會遴選。及早畀意見,可以幫選舉委員會提供更暢順,更妥善嘅遴選過程,章程可以喺元維基搵到。祝

安好。

選舉委員會主席
陳君婷(Katie Chan)謹上

2023年10月17號 (二) 01:13 (UTC)

Coming soon: Reference Previews 編輯

 

A new feature is coming to your wiki soon: Reference Previews are popups for references. Such popups have existed on wikis as local gadgets for many years. Now there is a central solution, available on all wikis, and consistent with the PagePreviews feature.

Reference Previews will be visible to everyone, including readers. If you don’t want to see them, you can opt out. If you are using the gadgets Reference Tooltips or Navigation Popups, you won’t see Reference Previews unless you disable the gadget.

Reference Previews have been a beta feature on many wikis since 2019, and a default feature on some since 2021. Deployment is planned for November 22.

-- For Wikimedia Deutschland’s Technical Wishes team,

Johanna Strodt (WMDE), 2023年11月15號 (三) 13:11 (UTC)回覆

記得備份出面連結 編輯

想提下大家,每逢引用出面拎,除非係要打密碼先入到嗰隻,一定要去 Internet Archive 度 check 下佢哋有冇備份,冇就要撳備份掣整份備份;佢哋話會睇實維基百科有冇拎出去,有就自動備份,但係我呢半年嘅經驗係佢哋個系統非常之唔可靠(或者某種原因喺粵維根本唔 work,我懷疑同我哋網址 zh- 頭有關,佢哋唔信)。

我半年內已經至少半打拎死咗救唔返。我自己都要記住,因為咁搞真係唔掂。 Al12si (傾偈) 2023年11月21號 (二) 05:22 (UTC)回覆

中文版翻譯過來系統問題 編輯

翻譯程式古怪。有啲完全出錯。出咗句Critical error: Content translation failed to load due to internal error.有啲畀過,列表又譒唔到過來。暫時只有中文版先有咁問題。 HenryLi (傾偈) 2023年12月1號 (五) 20:12 (UTC)回覆

翻譯緊文章會因版本變唔顯示 編輯

翻譯緊文章,會因另一方版本變唔顯示,雖則出面個表,條綫話譯咗幾多。依個實在太恐佈,嘥人功夫。 HenryLi (傾偈) 2023年12月1號 (五) 21:22 (UTC)回覆

可以去 mw:Talk:Content translation 投訴。 H78c67c·傾偈 2023年12月2號 (六) 04:23 (UTC)回覆

(New) Feature on Kartographer: Adding geopoints via QID 編輯

Since September 2022, it is possible to create geopoints using a QID. Many wiki contributors have asked for this feature, but it is not being used much. Therefore, we would like to remind you about it. More information can be found on the project page. If you have any comments, please let us know on the talk page. – Best regards, the team of Technical Wishes at Wikimedia Deutschland

Thereza Mengs (WMDE) 2023年12月13號 (三) 12:32 (UTC)回覆

Reusing references: Can we look over your shoulder? 編輯

Apologies for writing in English.

The Technical Wishes team at Wikimedia Deutschland is planning to make reusing references easier. For our research, we are looking for wiki contributors willing to show us how they are interacting with references.

  • The format will be a 1-hour video call, where you would share your screen. More information here.
  • Interviews can be conducted in English, German or Dutch.
  • Compensation is available.
  • Sessions will be held in January and February.
  • Sign up here if you are interested.
  • Please note that we probably won’t be able to have sessions with everyone who is interested. Our UX researcher will try to create a good balance of wiki contributors, e.g. in terms of wiki experience, tech experience, editing preferences, gender, disability and more. If you’re a fit, she will reach out to you to schedule an appointment.

We’re looking forward to seeing you, Thereza Mengs (WMDE)

Do you use Wikidata in Wikimedia sibling projects? Tell us about your experiences 編輯

Note: Apologies for cross-posting and sending in English.

Hello, the Wikidata for Wikimedia Projects team at Wikimedia Deutschland would like to hear about your experiences using Wikidata in the sibling projects. If you are interested in sharing your opinion and insights, please consider signing up for an interview with us in this Registration form.
Currently, we are only able to conduct interviews in English.

The front page of the form has more details about what the conversation will be like, including how we would compensate you for your time.

For more information, visit our project issue page where you can also share your experiences in written form, without an interview.
We look forward to speaking with you, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 08:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Feminism and Folklore 2024 編輯

 
請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Dear Wiki Community,

You are humbly invited to organize the Feminism and Folklore 2024 writing competition from February 1, 2023, to March 31, 2023 on your local Wikipedia. This year, Feminism and Folklore will focus on feminism, women's issues, and gender-focused topics for the project, with a Wiki Loves Folklore gender gap focus and a folk culture theme on Wikipedia.

You can help Wikipedia's coverage of folklore from your area by writing or improving articles about things like folk festivals, folk dances, folk music, women and queer folklore figures, folk game athletes, women in mythology, women warriors in folklore, witches and witch hunting, fairy tales, and more. Users can help create new articles, expand or translate from a generated list of suggested articles.

Organisers are requested to work on the following action items to sign up their communities for the project:

  1. Create a page for the contest on the local wiki.
  2. Set up a campaign on CampWiz tool.
  3. Create the local list and mention the timeline and local and international prizes.
  4. Request local admins for site notice.
  5. Link the local page and the CampWiz link on the meta project page.

This year, the Wiki Loves Folklore Tech Team has introduced two new tools to enhance support for the campaign. These tools include the Article List Generator by Topic and CampWiz. The Article List Generator by Topic enables users to identify articles on the English Wikipedia that are not present in their native language Wikipedia. Users can customize their selection criteria, and the tool will present a table showcasing the missing articles along with suggested titles. Additionally, users have the option to download the list in both CSV and wikitable formats. Notably, the CampWiz tool will be employed for the project for the first time, empowering users to effectively host the project with a jury. Both tools are now available for use in the campaign. Click here to access these tools

Learn more about the contest and prizes on our project page. Feel free to contact us on our meta talk page or by email us if you need any assistance.

We look forward to your immense coordination.

Thank you and Best wishes,

Feminism and Folklore 2024 International Team

Stay connected     

--MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2024年1月18號 (四) 07:26 (UTC)回覆

Wiki Loves Folklore is back! 編輯

請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

 

Dear Wiki Community, You are humbly invited to participate in the Wiki Loves Folklore 2024 an international photography contest organized on Wikimedia Commons to document folklore and intangible cultural heritage from different regions, including, folk creative activities and many more. It is held every year from the 1st till the 31st of March.

You can help in enriching the folklore documentation on Commons from your region by taking photos, audios, videos, and submitting them in this commons contest.

You can also organize a local contest in your country and support us in translating the project pages to help us spread the word in your native language.

Feel free to contact us on our project Talk page if you need any assistance.

Kind regards,

Wiki loves Folklore International Team

-- MediaWiki message delivery (傾偈) 2024年1月18號 (四) 07:26 (UTC)回覆

Vote on the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee 編輯

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. 請幫手去譯做你嘅語言

Hello all,

I am reaching out to you today to announce that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is now open. Community members may cast their vote and provide comments about the charter via SecurePoll now through 2 February 2024. Those of you who voiced your opinions during the development of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines will find this process familiar.

The current version of the U4C Charter is on Meta-wiki with translations available.

Read the charter, go vote and share this note with others in your community. I can confidently say the U4C Building Committee looks forward to your participation.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年1月19號 (五) 18:08 (UTC)回覆

A new feature for previewing references on your wiki 編輯

 

Apologies for writing in English. If you can translate this message, that would be much appreciated.

Hi. As announced some weeks ago [1] [2], Wikimedia Deutschland’s Technical Wishes team introduced Reference Previews to many wikis, including this one. This feature shows popups for references in the article text.

While this new feature is already usable on your wiki, most people here are not seeing it yet because your wiki has set a gadget as the default for previewing references. We plan to remove the default flag from the gadget on your wiki soon. This means:

  • The new default for reference popups on your wiki will be Reference Previews.
  • However, if you want to keep using the gadget, you can still enable it in your personal settings.

The benefit of having Reference Previews as the default is that the user experience will be consistent across wikis and with the Page Previews feature, and that the software will be easier to maintain overall.

This change is planned for February 14. If you have concerns about this change, please let us know on this talk page by February 12. – Kind regards, Johanna Strodt (WMDE), 2024年1月23號 (二) 09:30 (UTC)回覆
Hello and apologies for writing in English again. I have a little update on my message from January:
Based on feedback we received, we have changed our plans – we won’t change the default here, because your wiki is not a global sysop wiki. Instead, we would like to encourage you to do it yourself. I am taking the liberty of notifying your wiki’s admins in this message: @Deryck Chan, @Detective Akai, @Dr. Greywolf, @H78c67c, @HenryLi, @Lam3011, @Pokman817, @SC96, @Shinjiman, @WikiCantona, @Z423x5c6, @濫用過濾器
If you would like us to help you, you can let us know on this talk page. Any questions or comments, please let me know on the same talk page. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (傾偈) 2024年2月16號 (五) 09:56 (UTC)回覆
Reference Previews 取代咗 Reference Tooltips 作為預設引用預覽功能。如果有任何問題,請隨時提出可以 rollback。Reference Previews有以下幾點唔同:
  1. Reference Previews 同現有嘅 Page Previews 設定集中埋一齊
  2. Where applicable, 個 popup 有個 icon 同寫明係咩類型嘅參考
  3. Nested previews 唔 work
  4. 冇得再控制 hover delay,同 Page Previews 統一
H78c67c·傾偈 2024年2月27號 (二) 08:22 (UTC)回覆

Last days to vote on the Charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee 編輯

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Hello all,

I am reaching out to you today to remind you that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) charter will close on 2 February 2024. Community members may cast their vote and provide comments about the charter via SecurePoll. Those of you who voiced your opinions during the development of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines will find this process familiar.

The current version of the U4C charter is on Meta-wiki with translations available.

Read the charter, go vote and share this note with others in your community. I can confidently say the U4C Building Committee looks forward to your participation.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年1月31號 (三) 17:00 (UTC)回覆

Announcing the results of the UCoC Coordinating Committee Charter ratification vote 編輯

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Dear all,

Thank you everyone for following the progress of the Universal Code of Conduct. I am writing to you today to announce the outcome of the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee Charter. 1746 contributors voted in this ratification vote with 1249 voters supporting the Charter and 420 voters not. The ratification vote process allowed for voters to provide comments about the Charter.

A report of voting statistics and a summary of voter comments will be published on Meta-wiki in the coming weeks.

Please look forward to hearing about the next steps soon.

On behalf of the UCoC Project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年2月12號 (一) 18:24 (UTC)回覆

Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024: We are back! 編輯

 

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Hello, dear Wikipedians!

Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the MFA of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has launched the forth edition of writing challenge "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2024. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive prizes.

We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a banner to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk)

Notetag故障 編輯

發現到幾版用Notetag嘅頁面都忽然出現錯誤訊息,共通點都係同一個tag用多過一次,雖然都係正確地只定義一次,但都被錯誤判斷定義多過一次,出現:「name "XXX" defined multiple times with different content 」錯誤訊息。受影響版面包括:週六好戲勢P1X3L 5G 八星賀歲爆谷一周Chill Club等等。 Cwingsum (傾偈) 2024年3月2號 (六) 14:52 (UTC)回覆

@ShinjimanH78c67c 見你哋兩位之前都處理過技術問題,請問可唔可以幫手睇睇點解會忽然出現問題?係咪背後有code畀人改亂咗?--Cwingsum (傾偈) 2024年3月2號 (六) 14:57 (UTC)回覆

@Cwingsum:對唔住,我前幾日更新NoteTag嘅時候冇察覺到呢個問題,而家應該整返好咗。 H78c67c·傾偈 2024年3月2號 (六) 21:54 (UTC)回覆

Report of the U4C Charter ratification and U4C Call for Candidates now available 編輯

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Hello all,

I am writing to you today with two important pieces of information. First, the report of the comments from the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter ratification is now available. Secondly, the call for candidates for the U4C is open now through April 1, 2024.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members are invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Per the charter, there are 16 seats on the U4C: eight community-at-large seats and eight regional seats to ensure the U4C represents the diversity of the movement.

Read more and submit your application on Meta-wiki.

On behalf of the UCoC project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年3月5號 (二) 16:25 (UTC)回覆

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2024 Selection 編輯

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 4 (four) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Board Governance Committee created a Board Selection Working Group from Trustees who cannot be candidates in the 2024 community- and affiliate-selected trustee selection process composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, Nataliia Tymkiv, Esra'a Al Shafei, Kathy Collins, and Shani Evenstein Sigalov [3]. The group is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2024 trustee selection process, and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

  • May 2024: Call for candidates and call for questions
  • June 2024: Affiliates vote to shortlist 12 candidates (no shortlisting if 15 or less candidates apply) [5]
  • June-August 2024: Campaign period
  • End of August / beginning of September 2024: Two-week community voting period
  • October–November 2024: Background check of selected candidates
  • Board's Meeting in December 2024: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2024 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page, and make your plan.

Election Volunteers

Another way to be involved with the 2024 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page.

Best regards,

Dariusz Jemielniak (Governance Committee Chair, Board Selection Working Group)

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Results#Elected

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes:2023-08-15#Governance_Committee

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] Even though the ideal number is 12 candidates for 4 open seats, the shortlisting process will be triggered if there are more than 15 candidates because the 1-3 candidates that are removed might feel ostracized and it would be a lot of work for affiliates to carry out the shortlisting process to only eliminate 1-3 candidates from the candidate list.

MPossoupe_(WMF)2024年3月12號 (二) 19:57 (UTC)回覆

Category:喺維基數據度無 編輯

我發現區明妙被自動加入一個奇怪分類「Category:喺維基數據度無」,但明明已經有維基數據d:Q28801228,又點會無呢?個奇怪分類原來有百幾篇文,係咪有地方出錯? Reneally (傾偈) 2024年4月1號 (一) 13:54 (UTC)回覆

修理好咗。 h78c67c (傾偈) 2024年4月1號 (一) 17:25 (UTC)回覆

Vote now to select members of the first U4C 編輯

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Dear all,

I am writing to you to let you know the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is open now through May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.

On behalf of the UCoC project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年4月25號 (四) 20:20 (UTC)回覆

Sign up for the language community meeting on May 31st, 16:00 UTC 編輯

Hello all,

The next language community meeting is scheduled in a few weeks - May 31st at 16:00 UTC. If you're interested, you can sign up on this wiki page.

This is a participant-driven meeting, where we share language-specific updates related to various projects, collectively discuss technical issues related to language wikis, and work together to find possible solutions. For example, in the last meeting, the topics included the machine translation service (MinT) and the languages and models it currently supports, localization efforts from the Kiwix team, and technical challenges with numerical sorting in files used on Bengali Wikisource.

Do you have any ideas for topics to share technical updates related to your project? Any problems that you would like to bring for discussion during the meeting? Do you need interpretation support from English to another language? Please reach out to me at ssethi(__AT__)wikimedia.org and add agenda items to the document here.

We look forward to your participation!

MediaWiki message delivery 2024年5月14號 (二) 21:22 (UTC)回覆

Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle 編輯

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Dear community members,

The Community Affairs Committee (CAC) of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees invites you to give feedback on a draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the Language Committee or closing projects policy.

You can find the details on this page, as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024, anywhere on Earth.

You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language.

On behalf of the CAC,

RamzyM (WMF) 2024年5月22號 (三) 02:25 (UTC)回覆